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Thread began 5/16/2009 3:36 pm by kwsim | Last modified 5/17/2009 8:27 pm by logicweststudios366423 | 1854 views | 5 replies |



What's the Deal. I have been using DFP1 fro the past two years under an asp VBScript development and was ecstatic when I saw DFP2 was finaly available. I instantly purchased the upgrade and installed it, because I had a need for it right a way. When I went to apply it to my asp page I was informed that it could be only be used on PHP pages. I GOT ROBBED! I spent $39.99 to upgrade my DFP1 and now I can't use it.

For all you ASP developers Don't bother with WebAssist because it looks like they are fassing out asp developers to be included in their extentions. I would say to all of you asp developers to look into DMXZone'z Pure ASP Upload3, Advanced Multi Uploader,and Smart Image Processor 2.

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With respect, you didnt 'get robbed'.

Web Assist announced some months ago that they were ceasing support for all languages apart from PHP, and the system requirements for DFP2 do not mention ASP.

I'd suggest you contact WA to see if they can sort you out with a refund given your 'misunderstanding'.

The DMXZone extensions work fairly well, but support in my experience is virtually non existant.

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ASP Developers turn to .NET and use Expression Web2 if you are looking for serious Web Development.

Every company has tools for specific language for a reason. Why bother updating both asp and php code when microsoft has overun ASP.NET with a perfect tool?

Not to mention the extensions existing on it. Do you know how much development time takes to make a product compatible with PHP and same time ASP ?

It is not worth it if you are trying to be popular for particular category of people aka php where most developers use and want wizzards.

And yes also WebAssist had announced that new products wont support ASP and if i am correct DWCS4 has no ASP or very limited ASP support and next release they wont have any at all for dynamic development.

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To be fair you have hit the nail on the head there - ASP is dead and Microsoft have been focusing development on ASP.NET for some time now. It's just that it never really took off like they hoped it would so they have had to keep running with ASP in its current form.

"It is not worth it if you are trying to be popular for particular category of people aka php where most developers use and want wizzards."

Regarding the above, I think this statement is generally unfair. PHP developers do not use or want wizards - in fact the majority of applications will require hand coding. The Web Assist tools do give you a base platform on which you can develop the code further, and they also allow Web "Designers" with tools that enable them to create dynamic PHP solutions.

However, given the choice of being able to create more in less time by making use of tools such as Web Assist, any business minded developer would use the tools every time.

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Even for hard-coded developers as my self when you got to do with bussiness you need to cut the costs and do your job fast.

People want good stuff and fast. And apart that if you got a real bussiness runing Time = Cost which means by using products like WebAssist you cut the cost.

Now i have to say one thing. In my posts i might be criticising some times the products of WebAssist but i will make for the sake of a valid arguement a comparison of WebAssist Web Development Suite and ADT.

Maybe ADT has some very good features that are missing from WebAssist but...

ADT was using too many includes and if you needed to handcode sth you were running on major problems. Most stuff were using includes, what i see here is that most stuff are plain DW code snipets and some helper files with functions that are VERY WELL written in general if you take out the bugs. As code, are very clear to understand for a developer.

ADT had a major Transaction engine which i saw in forums that WebAssist has too. I dont want to comment anything about the Transaction Engines cause i never tried WebAssists if it exists so i can't say anything.

The only better thing that ADT had was faster responce on forums and fixes. Probably cause it had a big community. Hopefully WebAssist's community will grow and should use it for Beta Testing of new features and releases to avoid such Bugs as DFP2s initial release major bug.

Interakt was using the power of the programers community to fix up their products to top. This is what WebAssist should do too.

I was 3 years a Beta Tester of Interakt and I have participated in many releases and new products features. They used the power of the community to make their MXKollektion be so good and popular.

I have faith that WebAssist will turn out to the community and that their product/suites will become even better in a very good timeframe.

Interakt had some "Premium" beta testers that they were using them to support on forums too just giving them some premioum membershiips like new features etc and releases for production by just signing an SLA agreement.

Towards WebAssist, i think they are trying the best, don't know how many people are in the Team but doing a good work and such Suites are not easy to maintain.

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I completely agree, that even as a code writer, I like having the speed of WebAssist extensions. Sure, I could write queries by hand - but - I would never have the time to complete a job on time. I need speed, so why not use extensions with wizards for repetitive tasks that could take hours to write out by hand. I think that is the biggest plus for Dreamweaver. Otherwise, when it comes to just plain coding, I would rather use something like Panic's Coda for the Mac.

As far as any of the Microsoft languages go, I think I would simply avoid them... why be stuck with a proprietary language that only works on one kind of server? PHP is clearly a better option from my standpoint both in community support and third party extension and application developers. As far as ease of use, Coldfusion certainly took the cake - but again, the community for CF is not the largest and Adobe can be slack about real support for the language. Not only that, they like to charge an arm and a leg for the license.

I, too, used the ADDT extensions. In some cases, their transaction engine made some things quicker - such as registration forms and image uploads. However, WebAssist extensions allow me to customize more along the way and the WebAssist stuff is easier to add hand coded items in as well. I also have found WebAssist's customer service to be far superior to Adobe's (I cannot speak for Interakt because I purchased after it was Adobe). When I have an issue with WebAssist products, I always get immediate attention from either Ray (who does an amazing job) or one of their other guys who are willing to get on the phone and work problems out with me and make my life much easier.

I think WebAssist is onto something really good with these new PHP extensions. Sure, there will be some refinements needed, but as long as we stay active on here in this community, there's no reason to beleive that WA won't deliver what we need as long as we are paying cutomers and continue to help them understand our needs.

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