Amazing! I returned here to see if anything had happened to this thread, and lo and behold ... it is ALIVE!!!
I agree with the objective ... but am not so sure that this is the way to achieve that objective ... see under.
The individual extensions work great when I know what I am doing with them... [/QUOTE]
My experience exactly. Goes back to the 'toolbox' idea IMHO. No point in having a bunch of tools when you have no idea what they are, or what they can do.
I again agree. And just like you ....
Here we differ. In the case of Validation Toolkit, I worked along with the tutorials, and I found the way in which the tutorials provided you with snippets all ready to use (just double click it in) invaluable. I did not find the tutorial particularly well-written because it was confusing to follow in places, but the singular virtue was that WebAssist had provided you with everything you needed to work through it, so it was just a case of reading it about half a dozen times over until gradually the concepts sunk in. Now, I again wouldn't do without it, although I find that it gets a bit irritating and loses track of itself when you are constantly adding and deleting fields, or changing from one type to another. In such a case it is good to keep a template backup in case you have to start over again from a particular point, and then just redo the validations.
I agree that a series of tutorials concentrating on a set of discrete JOBS would be excellent, but I think that something along the lines of PowerStore is unnecessarily complex.
That's the point. As long as you know what you are doing.
Agreed. To express it in my toolbox language, you can't begin to see the usefulness of the tools when you can't imagine yourself using them, or see discrete and specific situations in which they might be used.
Here is where this poster and I begin to differ on a remedy.
Well ... I think the point here is that this is just a string of several different JOBS, all strung together.
I agree with this Poster ... and I think that WebAssist could do a better job of servicing and selling products to people like me and he.
Totally agreed. And here is what I think WebAssist should do. It's a question of teaching. I cannot find it now, but I once worked through a tutorial I found on the web on a site intended for women who are setting up their own businesses. The tutorial taught some basic PHP by working the student through what it took to upload some files into a database, arranging them in an array, and then displaying a picture file depending on which month it is.
When I purchased FileAssist, I immediately thought what a breeze that tutorial would have been if I had had FileAssist, because many of the procedures that tutorial took us through would have been unnecessary. FileAssist would have done them all. So ... that would be an excellent JOBS tutorial, demonstrating the power of this particular utility. You provide the person with the images and the database. The person then boots up Dreamweaver. And they work through the tutorial designed to do exactly what that tutorial did. But WebAssist also provides a running commentary explaining roughly what code is being implanted and why, and then a short while later ... boom. The person has learned something very fundamental, and you have also exhibited the power of this particular tool.
Or ... DataAssist. You obviously have no clue how intimading the whole procedures can be. So ... take it step by step. We are going to do this and then have DataAssist put some data in the Database. Now ... we are going to extract that data and put it over there and display it in that way. And then ... we are going to allow someone who has logged in to change their preferences which means that it is goiing to update in this way. And again, you give an idea for what code is being implanted and why. And so focussing on DataAssist alone, one starts to see the power of the tool.
Then ... same for SecurityAssist. Instead of just selling say the ContactFormSolution, why not take people in tutorial how some of the parts are built up? Because you pretty much have to pray and hope it all makes sense when you buy the solution, in order to make it work. But ... wouldn't it show off the power of your tools more if you provided a tutorial that divided it into bits and ... well ... you've got the idea and I've spent enough time.
What WebAssist should do is take each of those tools, and provide discrete tutorials showing those tools in action and how they do what they do, so that gradually people can learn to integrate them into their workflow. One a person has mastered an individual tool and got it to do some specific jobs, they can begin to see how entire projects can be constructed from putting together a whole string of different jobs, each of which they have individually mastered.
Which is pretty much how PowerStore is put together.
Bye again. Probably won't be back this time. I think I've now given you guys enough of my time ... and quite enough of my money. I own most of the things you make.