Hi Jamie, at the moment my site isnt using mysqi and just want to keep things consistent if that makes sense. PLus would rather refrain from adding to the code in php. What I would like to find out is why my htaccess only method doesnt work. since after looking up various websites the code in htaccess that I am using is the same (there are no errors on the page) its simple just has no effect., and i tried slightly different variations and again has no effect. so I cannot understand why so so many users are using this code and yet when I do nothing happens...what is stopping it from functioning? I know the actual htaccess file is ok since I have other directives in there to redirect www and non www.