thanks, I looked at the pages it UE referenced, and I did FINDer searches, but nothing turned up. I am sure there must be something there that I'm missing, but I'm not going to worry about it any further. I'm a glutton for straining my brain... just always trying to figure out how stuff "ticks"...but it's not to be this time... I just cannot figure it out. But the problem is fixed so that's the main thing! YAY!!!!