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Crowdfunding for new Data Bridge extension

Thread began 11/19/2015 11:20 am by Mike | Last modified 6/16/2016 1:30 pm by Ray Borduin | 1207 views | 19 replies |

Mike

Crowdfunding for new Data Bridge extension

I know... for the new version of Databridge you need more time and will have only MySQLi compatibility, but...

Why don't you create a crowdfunding to the new and advanced functions in the WA extensions?
I think you could obtain more money/attention (not only from users that read this forum) and for all of us the possibility to plan/invest a future with WebAssist.

Come on WebAssist, you're the best!

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Ray BorduinWebAssist

Thanks for the support. We could consider something like that if we don't get back on track and get the update out soon.

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Dave - HHMP

I paid €800.00 for the WebAssist Super Suite and am astonished at its lack of updates. I also paid for the One Year Subscription over at DMX Zone for a lot less and am very happy with their continued updates policy and continual improvements plus the ability to download and use any extension in their repository.

Mike may I ask why do you call the DMX Zone extensions awful I really fail to comprehend your opinion? Have you a basis for this comment? I would be interested to know? My experience is quite the opposite. What extensions are you deeming awful?

Come on WebAssist give us some quality updates!! Or will the case be I have to spend more money with you as I will no longer qualify for free updates when the time comes.......?

I look forward to your reply Mike, and hopefully a reply from WebAssist with regards to any future upgrades that are planned!

Best regards,
Dave.

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Mike

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Dave - HHMP

Thanks for the reply Mike.

Personally we would not use either set of extensions within an enterprise solution. We much prefer (if the budget allows) to opt for all out custom/bespoke code in such a circumstance. Some clients actually demand this. I would like to go in to details but am restricted by various NDA's and The Official Secrets Act. Enough of that anyway back to the thread ;)

Personally I started writing HTML in a text editor way before WYSIWYG platforms like Dreamweaver. It was difficult and time consuming and the reference manuals for HTML Standards were the size of building blocks. It was not an easy job and we earned our money in those days. Communicating across various platforms and architectures was difficult as well as the browser wars and each respective browsers ability to process HTML differently caused many issues with compatibility. It was all a mess. The advent of WYSIWYG technology lead to more rapid development within this realm and things became a lot easier but have always had quirks here and there. The cost of developing an online presence fell and the bubble burst as thousands of new developers emerged as the Internet grew and software became more available at a lot lower cost, not only that it helped to simplify things a great deal and many developers lost touch with the nuts and bolts that held it all together.... Sorry I do not mean to inform you of something you may already know I simply want to cover a little of my history...

Developing tools and applications is a specialised task and has always carried with it many complications let alone the steep learning curve involved within some if not all areas. Suggesting something is too complicated to use is simply a reflection of not spending enough time educating ones self to use it correctly and is not a worthy excuse for abandoning useful tools. You will soon find yourself far removed from the leading edge and fall behind rapidly emerged within redundant and outdated technologies which can lead to compromise and compatibility conundrums. No disrespect intended Mike, it's just my opinion. To be honest I enjoy the challenge of learning new software and would not be where I am today if I did not persevere in this area of teaching myself new tricks on a daily basis.

I think it is all about having a toolbox with tools you understand and can exploit to obtain the best possible results for the task at hand. An adjustable spanner is great but I would not like to remove a trucks wheel with one (although you could if you wish), excuse the poor analogy.

Competition among companies such as WebAssist and DMX are positive catalysts. I am sure one pushes the other and vice versa. Together they break new ground in different areas, and sometimes the same ground is broken by both but in different ways. It is what is familiar to us as the users of these tools that persuade us to adopt one or the other or in some circumstances both (sounds like we both use a mix of these extensions). Never say never and you're never too old to learn I say. Server Connect may look like you need an MIT education from the outside but after an hour or two it is intuitive, simple, and very good at what it does in my opinion. With regards to bugs and furthering development I have not had a problem and the Technical Support is fantastic. DMX like WebAssist is probably a small team of friends who have a lot of work to do and keeping everyone happy is difficult so they share the burden and do what they can. Sometimes choosing to advance one tool to allow for new features and then going back to another tool to build in compatibility (common occurrence in most software) . An idea comes up and is explored leading to new ideas for old ideas and you find yourself going back to build in functionality within the old ground to meet and merge with the new ground. Hope that makes sense? Sometimes things get put on hold for the greater good and this happens everywhere within this business. When the updates become available we enjoy them and often think to ourselves that's how it should have been done in the first place. The problem is it is not always that simple.

Another aspect is keeping everything organised. Have backups. Know your files and file sizes. Watch the time stamps. Run one production server or even many, and several test servers. Plan your updates and roll them out once you have verified everything works etc.

Again apologies I do not wish to appear as I am talking down to you and am just sharing some helpful procedures and ideas I have adopted to make my life easier and the lives of the people that may inherit any of my projects in the future (all my code is commented nicely not just for me but for everyone to understand). These are things I have grown in to and now have become second nature to me.

I know I have gone off on one but I find it hard to digest that people call software bad or imply such emotions simply because they do not understand it. In that case it's not the software it's the user.

I like the WebAssist extensions but they are becoming old. There is not even support for Bootstrap for example. Data Assist does not recognize new input types. And there are a whole host of things that could do with tidying up or removing all together. That's not to say I will not use WebAssist it just means I have to adapt it and fill in the gaps sometimes. And as I say above I like the challenge. BUT I would also like some updates! Like everyone I do not wish to spend all my life working so the faster I can develop projects the more time I have as free time to do what I wish with.

Blimey I only wanted to write a quick reply.... I could go on and on and on and on but will stop here and go for coffee.

Finally I say thank you to all those at WebAssist and DMX for the tools and support they provide.

Peace!
Dave.

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Mike

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Dave - HHMP

Morning Mike,
You can build a CMS simply using Insert/Update/Delete statements. Yes WebAssist can deploy a simple CMS within a few clicks but it has issues and looks tired. I suppose if you want straight out of the box click and play simple solutions it may be acceptable but clients demand a lot more these days and WebAssist just falls behind in that regard unfortunately. We are repeatedly asked for Bootstrap based platforms (over 90% of clients want it for some reason and who are we to argue). I know a lot of hard work and effort went in to the WebAssist extensions and do not wish to belittle any of the developers who were involved with its creation but I am sure they themselves know it needs updating ;)

Regards.

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Dave - HHMP

I just want to say as to not go too far off track that Crowd Funding may be the way to go to push through new technologies if that's what is needed to move things along. In that regard its a great idea.

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Mike

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Dave - HHMP

Bootstrap is just one example Mike. Yes it can be overcome with a little adaption here and there but I misunderstood you and thought you were just deploying the stock WebAssist CMS out of the box. Excuse me.

Both sets of extensions use publicly acknowledged directory structures (we change these names and locations) and when investigated by a malicious user opens up all types of possible vulnerabilities. Both sets of code have features that can and are exploited in the wild. The real job is protecting against these threats. I wouldn't say either is entirely secure. There are several files which I have locked down and removed lines of exploitable code from in the past. We pass all our code along for evaluation by various penetration testers and compliance regulators. It is truly amazing what comes back to us marked as vulnerable. You say above you don't like it when DMX updates your files such as JQUERY etc? Am I to believe you state the secure nature of WebAssist above yet choose to not maintain your files to the latest incarnations? That lowers the security and integrity of all that relies upon said files and leaves a gaping hole, in some circumstances, for access to old bugs and vulnerabilities that are easily exploited these days with minimum effort.

Interesting.

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