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ADDT, Dreamweaver CS5, DataAssist… which future?

Thread began 4/29/2010 9:42 am by Mike | Last modified 1/03/2011 10:23 am by Ray Borduin | 11278 views | 54 replies |

Mike

ADDT, Dreamweaver CS5, DataAssist… which future?

ADDT is discontinued, dreamweaver CS5 not have improvement in the server behavior and now for us dreamweaver's addt user is time to found alternative but… which?

WebAssist is remained the only company that create server behavior extension in the market… DataAssist is the alternative but not have the powerfull and usability about ADDT.

ADDT was the third version (MX Kollection 3) in the five years since launch (I remember that in august 2006 InterAKT was ready to lunch a beta of Kollection 4)… DataAssist in the tenth years since lunch only second version.

In each forum/blog the dreamweaver's user want that ADDT continuing to live (PHP 5.3 support, improvement functions, more ajax, etc.) and not consider DataAssist an alternative.

My question now is… why WebAssist don't stop work around DataAssist and start a new project for to create a new ADDT similar extension? why not create an extension to speed work with server behavior when we use a php framework as codeigniter or zend in dreamweaver?

Server-Side includes (old MX Includes), Conditional Region, Form Validation (Check unique key, check detail records before to delete/update/insert, etc.)…

I hope to see soon your comments about my above opinion (sorry for my bad english)

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Jimmy Wu

I believe that a new version of DataAssist is in our product timeline. Not sure when or what features will be included in this update though. I will move your post to the wishlist forum so that the product development team can take a look at your suggestions. In the future, if you post any suggestions you have on any of our products, please post them in the wishlist forum.

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victor278184

Yes i Agree with michele , once Data Assist able to 'compete' with ADDT, you will have more buyers.. i know it's not an easy task because as far as i know ADDT create more lot of codes than Web Assist extension created.. WA should admit that the integration made by interakt team is a good concept for 'automation'.. although i agree the codes generated sometime tooks a whole lot of CPU resources than regular module... that's the cons of ADDT that should minimize by the 'future' Data Assist.

So far,in my perspective, Your company "only have one compititor"... but i believe you are now lead the market of commercial dw extension...

in my review your eCart is far better than MX Kart.. hopes your Data Assist would 'beat' ADDT as well

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MikeH

Hi
I used to be part of Team Interakt and when I moved to WA thought I was stepping backwards but really if you take a good look at DataAssist you can do everything you could do in ADDT (MX kollection). It just needs you to take a little more control and understanding.

ADDT had massive overheads and no matter what amount you used ADDT it still required you to upload every part of its library and it was pretty largescale.

So take a deeper look into WA offerings you may find what your looking for staring at you just not so obvious.

Oh I do agree that MX Includes and Check Unique Key would be very useful.

As for conditional regions have you tried WA Utilities Behaviour --> Show Region Utility you could find that can do everything you want. The Search for Boss extension installs it but it doesnt have to be used with the Search for Boss extension.

This should in my opinion be added to a new set of tools WA Utilities or even DataAssist.

Mike

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yogastudents362523

Originally Said By: MikeH
  if you take a good look at DataAssist you can do everything ....  


Agreed.

Originally Said By: MikeH
  So take a deeper look into WA offerings you may find what your looking for staring at you just not so obvious.  


Again agreed.

Bye now.

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anonymous

Hey all,

As a guy who has used both products and made some great customized applications with both, I can tell you that the WebAssist extensions actually offer you much more possibility because of the way they operate. The ADDT engines are so limited by the transaction protocol that it would drive me mad sometimes.

I get it though... for simple quick CMS creation, the ADDT work flow is a little simpler and faster. But, if you plan on making truly customized applications with various options and sub-applications, the WA extensions are much easier to manipulate. There is a little learning curve, though, with the WA stuff.

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Mike

bidder ZWEIG

Last months I have tried to move from ADDT to DataAssist but nothing... my users found more usability and more powerfull ADDT (and as developer I have more functions to use)

DataAssist remember me a Web 1.0 application... not ajax, not more function respect to server behaviour included in dreamweaver...

An example, if I have necessity to create an form for delete/insert/update records, DataAssist create me 4 pages to do it!!! ADDT create me only two pages... in ADDT is possibile to filter the records without reload the entire page, DataAssist no.

Now, isn't my intention to start a useless discussion but I'd like that the only server behaviour builder extension company in the market (WebAssist) move to create a Web 2.0 extension for our web graphics that not have the time to learn a php framework (codeigniter, zend...)

Why WebAssist not start to create an extension "MX Includes"? it would be a good starting point...

P.S.(1) and why not purchase ADDT from Adobe? I don't think that Adobe ask you much money, whereas that it's discontinued...

P.S.(2) please, remove captcha from your "reply to thread" forum, it is very annoying and hard to use

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MikeH

Originally Said By: michele
  An example, if I have necessity to create an form for delete/insert/update records, DataAssist create me 4 pages to do it!!! ADDT create me only two pages...  




If you want a single form create one and add the bahaviours to it rather than use the wizard. That way you can have a single form that has:

An Insert record
An update record
a Delete record

Attach each behaviour to the appropriate button.

Mike

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Mike

Originally Said By: MikeH
  If you want a single form create one and add the bahaviours to it rather than use the wizard. That way you can have a single form that has:

An Insert record
An update record
a Delete record

Attach each behaviour to the appropriate button.

Mike  



Yes it's possibile but it's not more stable... in DataAssist's forum I had read more and more issue with delete/update/insert records (only last 24 hours there are more 10 post with issue reports)

If is really more powerfull DataAssist, why WebAssist not create an chart comparison with ADDT? also, why don't create a movie/video area in your website with instruction to repleace the ADDT functions?

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MikeH

Comparrison chart might be a good idea but that may lead some to believe its as "do it for you" as ADDT where it is not.

As for "how to" videos/guides to some extent that could be very good but as there isn't a single way to accomplish a task. There are any number of ways to accomplish a set task so layout out a single way may lead to more problems as many are still expecting the hold your hands approach where these are developer tools.

Its a bit like buying lots of mechanics tools and expecting to be a nechanic.. it doesn't happen.

A lot of the problems on here with DA could be put down to user error or misunderstnanding although not always the case.

With a bit of effort these tools are excellent.

Mike

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