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Thread began 4/12/2010 5:42 pm by jon_upton | Last modified 12/20/2013 12:36 am by treehuggerjoe | 1000 views | 13 replies |

jon_upton

PowerCMS2

This looks good but its price will prevent me from using it

At $99 or £75 per site it is cost prohibitive - It's the ideal tool for little sites with limited budget which typically go from £250 to £350 in the UK.

The switch from one per developer to one per site just blows it out the water when you can get a host of CMSs for free or a much more comprehensive solution such as InsiteCreation2010 for $79 per site.

You really need to think more indepth about your relationship with me the developer and how much longer you want it to continue.

Kind regards

Jon

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CraigRBeta Tester

i agree !

This single licence issue needs to be resolved.

I appreciate that powerstore (and perhaps powergallery) have burned some fingers with unlimited licencing, but surely a limited licence could be a solution.

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Office Guy-172461

I think the license issue has been resolved:

  The switch from one per developer to one per site just blows it out the water  

That just about sums it up.

The choices we are left with are:

  1. Pay for the same solution over and over again for each site.
  2. Stop upgrading so we can keep the developer's license.
  3. Switch to Open Source solutions to control our costs.


This is not a good time to let our per-site costs increase. It is also not a good plan to stop improving our tools.

The writing's on the wall as they say.

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Jimmy Wu

If you have questions or concerns regarding the cost of working with the new user license agreement, please contact our sales department at sales@webassist.com and they will work with you.

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Office Guy-172461

It's already been hashed out here:
showthread.php?t=11320

We just have a fundamental difference when it comes to customers. That's not something the sales department can fix.

Thanks anyway for the offer.

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yogastudents362523

OK, OK, OK. No point in keeping on whining.
Known fact ... cause of present situation ... an ISP gave away (or similar) PowerStore to anyone who wanted it for no cost. Bad for business.
Cause of present aggravation ... that developers can only get any WebAssist Solution on a one-site basis.

Random thought ... when I install a WebAssist extension, it first checks WebAssist site to see if I am a legal purchaser. Etc.

I am not a web tech guy ... but ... is there a solution here? When I purchase a WebAssist solution WebAssist gives me a special code and puts me in a database. When I now create a solution for a client, the Solution asks me to state my code. My code is checked ... an essential component of the Solution is then authorized.

If WebAssist ever finds any misuse of my Solution, it can disable my code. Any future solutions I create are certainly barred. All past ones should be left OK (so that innocent bystanders are not penalized). If I now install a Solution and it doesn't work, I can go to WebAssist. They can then explain to me why I can no longer install further solutions.

You guys out there are the ones with the smarts .... Couldn't something like that be made to work? A kind of a software equivalent of the hardware dongles you see on many music industry products?

Just a thought.

Bye now

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Office Guy-172461

I would hardly call agreeing to disagree, whining. You are once again missing the point. There is nothing wrong with protecting your interests. It is another to compete with your own customers. That is their choice to make but that doesn't mean that I can't make my own choices.

I already made the suggestion to turn them into extensions so they could be protected with a key code and it was rejected because it would require Dreamweaver. There is nothing you can do if you are selling source code that has to be modified.

The original post:

  This looks good but its price will prevent me from using it

At $99 or £75 per site it is cost prohibitive  

That is a statement of fact, not whining. This is the second time we have had to deal with this, so I don't think it's likely to get better. If you think there is no loss in value to go from unlimited sites to one, then you can make that decision for you. Let others make their own decisions for what makes sense in their business. The cost of using the solution for 10 sites just went from $100 to $1,000. I'm glad you're in a position where that kind of change is so trivial.

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yogastudents362523

Hi Office Guy,

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  I would hardly call agreeing to disagree, whining.  



Sorry. Round about where I learned English, this is just a way of saying ... not much point in keeping on and on saying this. I then moved on to try to be constructive, recognize WebAssist's point, and then find a way round it.

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  I already made the suggestion to turn them into extensions so they could be protected with a key code  


Sorry. If I had known that, I would not have opened my mouth. I must have missed that.

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  and it was rejected because it would require Dreamweaver.  



OK. Policy decision, then.
That settles that.
At least I know more than I did before.

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  This is the second time we have had to deal with this, so I don't think it's likely to get better.  


The only thing that will make it better, is finding a solution to this "problem". I am obviously not providing one, which is what you get for speaking when you are pig-ignorant. Sorry.

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  If you think there is no loss in value to go from unlimited sites to one,  


Well ... actually ... I do. But I do also recognize the obvious, which is that WebAssist is doing its best to protect its interests. I don't like this solution to the solution problem, though.

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  The cost of using the solution for 10 sites just went from $100 to $1,000.  


I know

Originally Said By: Office Guy-172461
  I'm glad you're in a position where that kind of change is so trivial.  


Dear Office Guy ... this is the second time you have completely misunderstood my post, or else something that I am saying. This time, I don't think I need a friend of mine to step in and point it out to me, which is at least something of an improvement on the last time, n'est-ce pas.

I may be very slow, and not as learned as some, but I am learning and willing to learn.

You stay well, now.

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Office Guy-172461

Originally Said By: yogastudents362523
  this is just a way of saying ... not much point in keeping on and on saying this.  


I gave the link to the old discussion for the benefit for those that might not have followed it before. I was not suggesting that we reopen what has already been hashed out.

  The only thing that will make it better, is finding a solution to this "problem".  

Yet you say:

  OK, OK, OK. No point in keeping on whining.  
  But I do also recognize the obvious, which is that WebAssist is doing its best to protect its interests.  

As are we.

  this is the second time you have completely misunderstood my post, or else something that I am saying. This time, I don't think I need a friend of mine to step in and point it out to me  

As I recall your friend pointed out that you assumed that I was talking about what you had posted ,when actually that was not the case at all.

BTW where I'm from, accusing someone of whining is just a way of dismissing someone's concerns as irrelevant.

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jc1cell390254

Please forgive my ignorance on this subject matter and the legality, effectiveness, etc. of what I may say.

Wouldn't it be a simple matter of rewording the license in such a way that it would limit the use of the solutions only for development purposes and not for resale of the standalone basic package? Or even for a price lower than the original purchase price? Something along those lines could probably be looked into that would deter the improper use of the solutions by unscrupulous users.

Again, I'm not knowledgeable at all on this legal matter, but thought thinking along this line would be a positive direction on the problem at hand.

jc

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