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I have my old forms yet that did work with all the server behaviors applied. When I copy and paste them into the new form pages they are starting to work proper now. Just have to readjust some of the css and they will be good. I did something that regenerated the security question and I don't use it, just the captcha. It was'nt in the form, but in the top error code and that's what prevented it from submitting. All's getting there. Thanks