on a whim I went to ckeditor.com ( the new version of fckeditor ), and the popout worked. The last couple of letters were chopped off in some instances, but it popped out on top..so that's good. The table properties (bottom of list) still wouldn't allow row/column adjustment...but I guess if I can get it from the individual cell/row/column..that'll work. How hard would it be to update from the fckeditor to the newer ck ? Is that even possible without a whole solution rebuild? I attached a shot of me on their demo site