You beat me to it Ray. It took me a long time to figure out but it seems to be the php version. I was able to downgrade to 5.6 and it installed. But when I switch back to version 7, it all stops working again. I have left the server with version 5.6 for now, I will check the rest of the website if this will effect other areas. If not I will have to install power messenger to a different domain