Thanks for the tips! I tried adjusting the left/right margins and padding by 3px. each, as I can up with the same #s. No change. Any other workaround? Also, when I place the menu in the "topnav" div, the submenus disappear behind the content div. I have tried changing the z value to much higher no success. This is why I put the menu in the header div. Any advice again appreciated, thanks a ton!!