That did it Jason. Thanks for that. One more question ... and sorry for this one, i am sure you are chuckling after this one ... for some reason right from the start if i upload a file it "adds" a .jpg to the end of the file name. If it is already a JPEG it adds a JPG to it so picture.jpg ends up picture.jpg.jpg. When i update it again it adds another .jpg to the end of it making it a new file with an additional .jpg to it. To top it off say i try to change a picture and it was called picture.jpg.jpg and the new pictures name is frog.jpg. Rather than "overwrite" it as is the setting i have it keeps the old name and just adds the .jpg to it. i know I won;t make a lot of changes to each but worst part the plan is if the field is empty (no picture for that content page) i was going to use a "show if" command. The field always has a .jpg in it so something will always show up. Shouldn't the "overwrite" command simply rename the file?