Cheers Ray. I'll do that-and complex responses usually teach me something! What you suggest sounds a good solution. I'm currently aiming at starter businesses with low set up costs, I'm offering a reduced fee for limited websites to get people up and running. So licencing costs are a serous issue-Joomla is free but over complex for less web savvy clients. Web Yep is too limited for many... So Your suggested blend is good solution. Also just got your comments on the site sculptor page problem I'm having-it must be me then.... sorry if I've caused any problem-entirely unintentional. All help and very fast response really appreciated.