Isn't it amazing that a thread that starts out with someone totally frustrated and turns into:
i really appreciate your advice and help
i especially appreciate your calm steady responce from my blowing off gas. you could have easily not tried to help but instead you have difused the whole things by providing good information and a good service
i really appreciate it
i will find those files and get to work learning
and someone adds:
Thanks to the OP and everyone who has seen fit to help.
Sometimes people see a full glass as useless because it can't hold any more water. :)