Sorry, we were working against each other and that I doubted my ability to troubleshoot the simple things like relative paths. DUH! I was in the process of duplicating the stuff in the powercms folder -- out to the root -- and integrating the other standard stuff like /js and /css /images folders etc. so not to delete things my pages would need. When I would mark things in Dreamweaver to add to powercms it said the admin folder couldn't be found and to navigate to it. After moving everything to the root that works now as well. WHOO HOO! My apologies for sticking you on this trivial task, I know you have way more pressing code to deal with. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP, AS ALWAYS. When I get time I will delete the powercms directory and clean up the site because both the moved admin_cms and powercms work and I don't think I need them both. Will this hose the globals.php file you put...somewhere?