im glad to hear you got it working, i did get 2 responses via email from my attempt to validate the form. i have to edit the form and add a success page. since you made changes to whats online how would i go about editing this form locally? plus my client may have slight changes to the form so i need to be able to edit and re upload. this spry validation issue is gonna be an ongoing issue until you guys move away from it i assume?